Sunday, October 17, 2010
The Reid-Angle debate:Best part: [Moderator Mitch] Fox: [addressing Sharon Angle]
In a television ad, you claim Senator Reid “voted to get special tax breaks to illegal aliens and to give illegals Social Security benefits.”
Most reputable fact checkers have said that’s patently false, especially the line about social security benefits. The ad was even criticized by the chair of the Republican Hispanic Caucus. Would you like to denounce the ad as deceptive or give voters documented evidence about its accuracy.
Angle:
Not at all, I’m glad to give voters, um, the opportunity to see that Harry Reid has voted to give Social Security to illegal aliens. Not only did he vote to give it to them after they have become citizens but even before they were citizens, he voted to give them the benefits of our Social Security. In other words: "You just asserted X, which has been shown to be false. What do you say now?"
"I assert X."
posted by Quiddity at 10/17/2010 05:18:00 AM
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Had to go look this one up because I had never heard of the charge. Now I know about it, along with millions of other people, thanks to Mitch Fox.
During a Senate debate over immigration reform in 2006, Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., offered an amendment to prevent anyone from earning credit for Social Security payments made using an unauthorized Social Security number -- a provision that would mostly if not entirely affect illegal aliens. On May 18, 2006, the Senate voted on a motion to table -- that is, to stop consideration of -- the Ensign amendment. By a bare one-vote majority, the chamber voted to table the amendment. Reid's was one of the 50 votes in favor of tabling.
Then, on July 19, 2007, Ensign tried again, proposing a similar amendment to the College Cost Reduction Act of 2007. Under the rules in effect, the amendment needed 60 votes to pass but only got 57, so it failed. Reid was one of the senators who voted against the amendment.
The article then points out that Reid later voted the opposite on a nearly identical bill. He was for the benefits before he was against them.
You are wrong. Mitch Fox never showed her statement to be false. Much as you may wish, just because something drips out of the lips of a Liberal doesn't make it true. In this case, it was Fox who was lying.
Fox made an unsupported assertation that turns out to be false. The record shows that her statement was true. Reid voted against a bill that would have denied naturalized citizens Social Security benefits during the time that they were illegal aliens working under a stolen Social Security number -- committing identity theft.
The bill would have given illegals Social Security benefits for the time they were working illegally -- after they became legal.
Angle was absolutely right to reassert X. Fox was an idiot for throwing her a big, fat easy softball of a question.
I think that it's hilarious that Democrats are whining and crying just because Republicans are learning how to fight back against liberal smears and lies.
Just because a Social Security number is unauthorized for use by an illegal immigrant, that doesn't mean it has not been in use legally for someone else, living or dead.
I can see why a Senator might vote against this bill without wanting to "grandfather in" payments made before a person has legal status in the US. It could mess up someone else's account.
--Stolen Dormouse
Even if the number wasn't assigned, that "unused" Social Security number could be assigned at any moment. Possibly to your child, who would then be born into a lifetime of fighting identity theft.
It could mess up someone else's account.
Not to mention the danger of benefit theft if they allow illegal aliens to "claim" years worked under stolen numbers.
Imagine you are ready to retire. However, a newly naturalized former illegal alien steps forward and claims to the Social Security Administration that it was actually him who worked all those years, using your stolen Social Security number. Now the Social Security administration wants to transfer all of your working credits to the scammer, leaving you with no credits at all and no Social Security benefits.
In a best-case scenario you will have a difficult fight with the government to keep your benefits.
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