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Friday, August 14, 2009

Four questions:
  1. How much a factor was Palin in keeping the "death panel" debate alive?
  2. Should she get credit for the Senate Finance committee's decision to drop an end-of-life provision?
  3. If there had been no town hall meetings this summer, would that have denied the opposition a forum, leaving them with virtually no place to influence the debate?
  4. In the wake of the apparent success the (minority) opposition has had with town hall meetings, will town halls soon be a thing of the past?


9 comments

1) Dunno about how influential, but Palin certainly got the phrase "death panel" in the news.

2) FOX deserves a lot more credit than Palin.

3) Yes, delaying the vote beyond August was an overt Republican goal.

4) Town halls may disappear. But, like all public events today, they must be staged for TV/Youtube, so they are not intrinsically valid, earnest, honest or true.

By Blogger JeffKw, at 8/14/2009 5:29 PM  

> 4) Town halls may disappear. But, like all public events today,
> they must be staged for TV/Youtube, so they are not
> intrinsically valid, earnest, honest or true.

So long as they are attended by actual local citizens, they are real. It's Obama's "Potemkin" town hall meetings, filled with bussed-in shills that are not intrinsically valid, earnest, honest or true.

Obama and Congress are fully responsible for the near-panic going on. They have established a pattern of keeping big, important controversial bills bottled up, then releasing them and voting for them within hours. I fully expect that this bill will emerge out of Committee with 500 to 1000 new pages added, and Reid and Pelosi will force a vote within hours of the release of the final text, before anyone outside of the insiders who have drafted it has read it and figured it out. By then it will be much too late for Conservatives to fight the bill, so the only time to apply pressure is NOW. When the text of the final bill is known it will be too late.

It's a hell of a way to run Congress but the Democrats choose to do it. The protests and near riots are a consequence of their own policies.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8/14/2009 6:07 PM  

They have established a pattern...
When?

I fully expect...
And your expectations are important because...?

By Blogger JeffKw, at 8/14/2009 6:20 PM  

"Death tax"
"Death panel"
Catchy ain't it? Republican's like to put "death" into the equation. Up to and including starting war without a good reason.

"It's Obama's 'Potemkin' town hall meetings, filled with bussed-in shills that are not intrinsically valid, earnest, honest or true."

As opposed to all those earnest, honest, and true town halls Georgie W held where the tickets were distributed by the local Republican Party, questions were pre-screened, and, in some cases, loyalty oaths were required to get in.

By Blogger gmoke, at 8/14/2009 9:26 PM  

It's Obama's "Potemkin" town hall meetings, filled with bussed-in shills that are not intrinsically valid, earnest, honest or true.

according to whom? rush? hannity? beck? show some evidence for this claim.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8/15/2009 3:41 AM  

I fully expect that this bill will emerge out of Committee with 500 to 1000 new pages added

republicans like to make show of how many pages the house healthcare bill is. they like to lift it up and drop it to the ground for their audience. "ooooohhh" goes the braindead wingers (who, like little children, like to hear things go "boom!") easily impressed by cheap, theatrical stunts that passes for political statement (as opposed to serious, political thought) & that does nothing to address reform.

i forgot the florida congressman who attended the netroots convention, but he helpfully pointed out something which i'll paraphrase:

you'd have to be an idiot to think you can do an overhaul of healthcare policy and think you can fit all that into a 10 page bill.

doi.

By Anonymous ycantupplgtaname?, at 8/15/2009 3:52 AM  

>> It's Obama's "Potemkin" town hall meetings, filled
>> with bussed-in shills that are not
>> intrinsically valid, earnest, honest or true.

> according to whom? rush? hannity? beck? show
> some evidence for this claim.

Local WMUR Channel 9 New Hampshire television segment:

WMUR segment

At the beginning of the segment, narrated by reporter Amy Coveno, the video shows the Obama supporters getting off the busses; they show a "Organizing for America" person rallying the people who have gotten off of the busses, and at the end of the segment Coveno reports:

"Now about 2000 people are going to get to participate in this town hall meeting. We saw them get bussed in here about an hour ago. Surely they are going through some strict security before they take their seats."

For a non-MSM video identifying the bussed in supporters as out-of state paid union members, see:

Here

I'm surprised you weren't aware of this. It was discussed on virtually every right-of-center blog of any consequence. Perhaps you need to read something besides Kos and Huffington to find out what is going on in the world.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8/15/2009 11:00 AM  

please, paid shills? activist were paid to be there? you've got a memo saying that? you need better evidence than this. supporters don't need to be paid to go hear an obama speech. in fact they'd be willing to buy tickets to be there.

the video noted out of shape attendees who smoked. as if republicans didn't smoke.

and how is this for a bunch of fat bubbas?:

http://bagnewsnotes.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341cc90353ef0120a54ce627970c-pi

http://bagnewsnotes.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341cc90353ef0120a54ab817970c-pi

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8/15/2009 12:37 PM  

another thing, they are not a "rent-a-mob."

they didn't shout down people trying to give a speech nor shout down people trying to ask questions like your ill mannered brethren did.

that tactic isn't even very popular amongst your base.

usatoday poll:

Some actions are seen as going too far. Six in 10 say shouting down supporters of a bill is an abuse of democracy. On that question, unlike most others, there isn't much of a partisan divide: 69% of Democrats and 58% of Republicans agree.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8/15/2009 1:00 PM  

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