Friday, October 03, 2008
Sarah "no facts" Palin:Look at these two statements made (in sequence) during the foreign policy portion of the Vice-Presidential debate. (facts in emphasis) BIDEN: Gwen, no one in the United States Senate has been a better friend to Israel than Joe Biden. I would have never, ever joined this ticket were I not absolutely sure Barack Obama shared my passion.
But you asked a question about whether or not this administration's policy had made sense or something to that effect. It has been an abject failure, this administration's policy.
In fairness to Secretary Rice, she's trying to turn it around now in the seventh or eighth year.
Here's what the president said when we said no. He insisted on elections on the West Bank, when I said, and others said, and Barack Obama said, "Big mistake. Hamas will win. You'll legitimize them." What happened? Hamas won.
When we kicked -- along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, "Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don't know -- if you don't, Hezbollah will control it."
Now what's happened? Hezbollah is a legitimate part of the government in the country immediately to the north of Israel.
The fact of the matter is, the policy of this administration has been an abject failure.
And speaking of freedom being on the march, the only thing on the march is Iran. It's closer to a bomb. Its proxies now have a major stake in Lebanon, as well as in the Gaza Strip with Hamas.
We will change this policy with thoughtful, real, live diplomacy that understands that you must back Israel in letting them negotiate, support their negotiation, and stand with them, not insist on policies like this administration has. IFILL: Has this administration's policy been an abject failure, as the senator says, Governor?
PALIN: No, I do not believe that it has been. But I'm so encouraged to know that we both love Israel, and I think that is a good thing to get to agree on, Senator Biden. I respect your position on that.
No, in fact, when we talk about the Bush administration, there's a time, too, when Americans are going to say, "Enough is enough with your ticket," on constantly looking backwards, and pointing fingers, and doing the blame game.
There have been huge blunders in the war. There have been huge blunders throughout this administration, as there are with every administration.
But for a ticket that wants to talk about change and looking into the future, there's just too much finger-pointing backwards to ever make us believe that that's where you're going.
Positive change is coming, though. Reform of government is coming. We'll learn from the past mistakes in this administration and other administrations.
And we're going to forge ahead with putting government back on the side of the people and making sure that our country comes first, putting obsessive partisanship aside.
That's what John McCain has been known for in all these years. He has been the maverick. He has ruffled feathers.
But I know, Senator Biden, you have respected for them that, and I respect you for acknowledging that. But change is coming. The Palin response was devoid of any facts or policy positions ("loving" Israel doesn't count). Remarkable.
posted by Quiddity at 10/03/2008 12:59:00 AM
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The United States and France kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon?!?
Living in BidenWorld is like being in one of those strange science fiction novels where the Nazis won WW2.
U.S. & France kicking Hezbollah out of Lebanon? A little clarification is needed here, indeed!
Where Bush bungled in Lebanon was giving the green light to (or maybe even pushing)Israel to invade Lebanon. Before the invasion Hezbollah was a big political player in Lebanon that had to be taken seriously and dealt with. After the invasion Hezbollah and because of the invasion Hezbollah came to dominate Lebanonese politics. With friends like Bush, Israel doesn't need enemies.
Along the lines of fixing global warming without knowing (acknowledging) what is causing it, another profound paradox from Sarah "Deep Thought" Palin":
But for a ticket that wants to talk about change and looking into the future, there's just too much finger-pointing backwards to ever make us believe that that's where you're going.
Positive change is coming, though. Reform of government is coming. We'll learn from the past mistakes in this administration and other administrations.
So, we'll learn from the past by ignoring it. Brilliant.
And yes, that Biden statement about the U.S. and France kicking Hezbollah out of Lebanon is puzzling. He may have somehow gotten his thoughts mixed up with the expulsion of the PLO (not Hezbollah) from southern Lebanon in the early 80's under the auspices of an international force (including the U.S. and France.)
I was under the impression that Hamas won the election in Gaza, not the West Bank. But then what do I know, I'm not on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
Plus, No one has EVER "kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon", much less the United States.
So much for Joe Biden's facts. Nice of you to point out his ignorance and incompetance in boldface however. Sort of like boldface lies.
Now, did Ifill ask Palin the same question? No. She asked her a completely different question:
IFILL: Has this administration's policy been an abject failure, as the senator says, Governor?
She asked Palin whether she considered the administration's policy to be a failure. That's an opinion question, and Palin responded directly to the question - giving her opinion on the policy.
It isn't surprising that she responded with opinion instead of fact, when that's what Ifill asked her for -- opinion.
I'm not impressed with your analysis.
That's an opinion question, and Palin responded directly to the question - giving her opinion on the policy.
Well, there's opinion, and then there's nonsensical bullshit from a Republican con artist. Seems you're not smart enough to tell the difference.
I'm not impressed with your analysis.
Then there's Biden, who gets half of his facts wrong in his own area of expertise.
Yes clearly Biden meant the entire palestinian territories rather then just the west bank portion.
And I would like to know what he is talking about with this france/america/nato comment
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