Wednesday, February 14, 2007

Manufactured evidence?

In the immediate aftermath of the briefing by anonymous U.S. military on Iranian EFPs, some commentators in blogs noted that the date in one example was in the format used in the United States. Here is slide 15 (from TPM):
From TPM comments: (emp add)
Remind me again why we shouldn't expect Persian script? OK, and we're looking at stuff from 2004?

And that 5-31-06 (American MM-DD-YY) date format on the RPG round is, as the anonymous commenter on the earlier post said, a bit suspicious.

Posted by: Jim M
Date: February 12, 2007 11:33 AM
(Also, a somewhat similar but confused observation over at Balloon Juice)

And you think to yourself, "Well, maybe, but those are just a comments in a blog. What do they know?"

But guess what? In an interview on the Charlie Rose show on Tuesday, Feb 13 with Javad Zarif, Iran's Ambassador to the United Nation, Zarif said this: [at the 37:50 point if you replay on the website] (emp add)
The evidence that has been produced, in fact fabricated, is preposterous. The dates. If you look at the evidence, the dates that are used in this mortars are written in American date format, putting month first and date second. Whereas nowhere in the world people use month first and date second. Everywhere in the world except for the U.S. And those who fabricated this evidence should listen and learn. Everybody else in the world uses date, month, year. That is the order.

CHARLIE ROSE: That says what to you?

That this evidence is fabricated, as was the evidence that was fabricated before the Iraq war in order to launch an aggression. This evidence is fabricated and it points to a very dangerous policy that is being pursued by this administration.

CHARLIE ROSE: What is that dangerous policy pursued by this administration?

That dangerous policy is to create a crisis, to escape forward. That is, to blame somebody else for the results of their adventurism, which everybody knew would lead to this disaster.
And then there was the following exchange in Bush's press conference this morning: (emp add)
Q: What assurances can you give the American people that the intelligence this time will be accurate?

BUSH: Ed, we know they're there, we know they're provided by the Quds force. We know the Quds force is a part of the Iranian government. I don't think we know who picked up the phone and said to the Quds force, go do this, but we know it's a vital part of the Iranian government. What matters is, is that we're responding. The idea that somehow we're manufacturing the idea that Iranians are providing IEDs is preposterous.
Interesting. When questioned about the accuracy of the intelligence, Bush did not reply by saying that the collection of evidence was by reliable parties, or that the analysis was thorough. Instead, he spoke about manufacturing evidence, denying that it took place.

Both Iran's Zarif and Bush call the evidence or charges it's been manufactured "preposterous". (Makes you wonder if Bush watched the Charlie Rose interview.) In any event, it was curious to see Bush comment on "manufacturing evidence", since that's not been a talking point. Until now.


Yeah, that's quite a subconscious slip there...

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2/14/2007 11:33 AM  

You know, call me crazy, but I remember seeing something like this before the Iraq war. There was some kind of weapon or munitions considered suspicious, but it had American-style date and English writing on it.

Those of us instantly skeptical of the Iraq war were looking for how they were going to try and provoke it. And this stuck out like a sore thumb. Wish I remembered more, but this seems like a repeat of an old trick.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2/14/2007 6:28 PM  

Re: the website

"This web page is being waved around to "prove" that Iran does make 81mm mortar rounds like the one the US Government is trying to use to justify an invasion of Iran.

Take a good look at the soldiers and weapons at the very top of the page. They look Iranian to you? And why does an Iranian company put together a web page where their own country is obscured from view on that world map?

Check the spelling on the tabs. "Miscellancous"? "Caliber" uses the American spelling, rather than "Calibre." And Tehran is spelled "Tahran" on the contact page. This web page was assembled in a rush.

Take a look at the page source in your browser. The images and directories on the server are all in ENGLISH.

The phone numbers on the contact page are all 7 digit numbers. But in July of 2005, Iran switched over to an 8-digit phone system.

And finally, the traceroute traces the IP not to a business, but to a university!"

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2/14/2007 6:34 PM  


According to a report offered by the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies at Tel Aviv University, connected to the Saban Center for Middle East Policy at the neocon Brookings Institute, the smallest mortar produced by Iran is the 107mm M-30.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2/14/2007 6:37 PM  

The weapon pictured is not a mortar. It's a HEAT (shaped charge) anti tank round for an RPG-style launcher. Anyone claiming that round to be a mortar is either clueless or selling something.

The 'website' is a friggin' joke. Ammunition Industries Group (AMIG) is a real Iranian company, but they have no real web presence. Their original domain has been taken over by a domain squatter.

AMIG doesn't make RPG rounds, either.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2/14/2007 7:42 PM  

Those crafty terrorists... Deliberately using an American style date to make it look like we fabricated evidence against them. Is there nothing they will do to destroy freedom and democracy?

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2/15/2007 7:16 AM  

Bush's response was like when I hear a commotion from the upstairs of my house, and I go up there, and my son says "I did not hit my sister!"

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2/15/2007 8:15 AM  

creating reasons to invade iran
here we go again... hey George

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

—President George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2/15/2007 10:27 AM  

Ever heard the saying "Don't beleive it until there's an official denial"?

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2/15/2007 11:16 AM  

9/11 was an inside job, perpetrated by the US government under the direction of Bush and Cheney:

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2/15/2007 11:24 AM  

9/11 was an inside job, perpetrated by the US government under the direction of Bush and Cheney

Let's not drink the Kool-Aid, okay?

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2/15/2007 12:33 PM  

As much as I would love the website with the Iranian Ammunitions Industry Group to be fake, I just checked in the Web Archive and it seems that website has been around since at least 2005. And in fact, if you check the 2005 homepage, you will see 81mm ammunition advertised on it:

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2/15/2007 3:43 PM  

The website is genuine. As a military enthusiast I have visited the Iran DIO website and links since the beginning of 2006. It really is incredible the lengths of individuals to try and prove a conspiracy.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2/16/2007 4:24 PM  

Paint's cheap .... but nobody had stencils in Cyrillic or Farsi. :-)

I would be less amazed if the sun rose in the west and set in the east than if the Iranians were not supplying their friends in Iraq.

So what?

Trouble is, the Bush regime has cried "wolf!" too many times and spun absolute b*llsh*t so often that whenever they come with anything credible, nobody believes them now.

What's the next move?

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2/16/2007 5:38 PM  

The webpage is NOT fake.

That would mean that every single link from DIO would be fake too. Follow the links and go to the AMIG website that they are also claiming as fake.

As a military enthusiast I have visited those pages since the beginning of 2006. Yes they
contain stupid errors, use stock footage and in the English have poor spelling. The Chinese
military company webpages are exactly the same. Lost in translation springs to mind!

Do they expect these webpages to simply disappear? Do they not think that the Iranian
Government would have publically exposed such fakes by now? If the websites were 'U.S.
fakes' then the Iranian media would have had a field day with such exposure. Why have they
not done so?

Do they believe that Mr Vahid Karami is all part of the conspiracy?

Note thw website links -

vahid karami tehran, Iran
Category: Security & Protection
military & chemicals & industrial & valve

Dear Sir,we are one of the largest important Industrial organization of Iran,which is

capable in production and export of multi - purpose defense and civil products & services.

such as Civil construction & industrial potentials,chemical products & materials ......more

Active for 1 year and 49 days
Company: defense industries
Website: and
Phone: +98-21-22542059 & 225613
Fax: +98-21-22551961 & 2254583
Languages: english'

The Male Ashtar University also does have link to the Iranian Defence industry. This is very
well known in the military enthusiast circles.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2/18/2007 11:52 AM  

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